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CHSBOY
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posted 02-17-2005 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CHSBOY     Edit/Delete Message
Has anyone noticed the 'new' site, currently building its web page and offering a free download of its book (beatpolygraph.com)? Not only is their book similar in content and quality (poor) to Doug Williams' "How to Sting..." but they apparently 'borrowed' his polygraph chart photo from his web site. The polygraph and chart photo contained on the lower portion of the Home Page of Beatpolygraph.com is the same picture Doug's been using for years!

Paul


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detector
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posted 02-17-2005 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for detector   Click Here to Email detector     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, who are these guys? Can anyone investigate and find out if they are using real names and whether they are truly employed by an agency. I can't imagine their agency allowing them to do this.

I'm thinking I would like to put together a compiled report free to the public that tells the stories behind these sites and their owners so that people can realize what they are getting into if they buy into it. Can anyone help me compile that? If you happen to know the background of any of these folks, please write me with the details. I will keep your names out of it and I will be responsible for any inaccuracies.

I think the best way to handle all these anti sites is to go ahead and acknowledge them and explain in a nice way what a crock they are.

Also, examiners could take the document and give it to applicants if they are so inclined.

Can you help me guys/gals? I can't do it without you.

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Ralph Hilliard
PolygraphPlace Owner & Operator
http://www.polygraphplace.com


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J.B. McCloughan
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posted 02-18-2005 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.B. McCloughan   Click Here to Email J.B. McCloughan     Edit/Delete Message
The site says this in the about us page:

Founded in 2001 by Wayne Wilson, Beatpolygraph.com is backed with 30 years of industry experience. There are two of us my partner has 20+ years in the field and I have 10 years in law enforcement. Both of us are currently police officers for municipal agencies. My partner is polygraphist with 15 years in that field, all of our techniques are proven through testing and application

A domain search provided the following information:

Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: BEATPOLYGRAPH.COM Created on: 14-Jan-05 Expires on: 14-Jan-06 Last Updated on: 14-Jan-05 Administrative Contact: Private, Registration BEATPOLYGRAPH.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Technical Contact: Private, Registration BEATPOLYGRAPH.COM@domainsbyproxy.com Domains by Proxy, Inc. 15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160 PMB353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Domain servers in listed order: WSC1.JOMAX.NET WSC2.JOMAX.NET

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detector
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posted 02-18-2005 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for detector   Click Here to Email detector     Edit/Delete Message
Yes J.B.,

I read that, but I'm assuming those are not the real guy's names...and if they are, then I'd like to get info from someone who knows who they are and can confirm that...and can tell their department what they are doing.

Basically, we need to somehow get them on the phone and pre-text some info out of them as to who they really are.

My guess, just a guy who saw a way to make a buck who is probably not in law enforcement at all.

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Ralph Hilliard
PolygraphPlace Owner & Operator
http://www.polygraphplace.com


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J.B. McCloughan
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posted 02-18-2005 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J.B. McCloughan   Click Here to Email J.B. McCloughan     Edit/Delete Message
Yes Ralph, I assume that the names are fictional as well.

However, as you most likely already know, the domain is registered through a service which provides anonymous domain registration to the person wishing to register a domain for a fee. It would appear, from the privacy disclaimer on the domain registration site, that the true owners will not be revealed through that source unless there is a criminal complaint or pending civil litigation that would force the release.

It appears something has happened today though, as the page says now that their new manual will be ready in a few days and all of the other pages with information are gone. Maybe Williams filed a complaint for them stealing his web material? I will keep digging though.

[This message has been edited by J.B. McCloughan (edited 02-18-2005).]

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seascapes
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posted 02-21-2005 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seascapes   Click Here to Email seascapes     Edit/Delete Message
They appear to have only removed the links on their site. By using the address for the book the original links are still active. http://www.beatpolygraph.com/CountermeasuresBook.html

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